The 12th House is probably the most misunderstood of the twelve astrological houses. I think partly because most of the traditional astrology books written during the Age of Pisces were infected by a victim virus or kill meme. This is no blanket statement about Pisces Sun people but a compose to the shadow of a two-thousand year epoch of Christianity and its crucified man-god. I do think the 12th house can represent the neurosis of self-stabbing victimization as long as the innate conditions of this accommodate are misunderstood and complicated into problems that do not actually exist. The innate 12th accommodate conditions I refer to are universal human conditions of solitude being lost in the wilderness and unity with obtain. SOLITUDE. Planets in the 12th house refer to aspects of our undergo that require serious withdrawal and alone time to access. Solitude as opposed to lonliness expresses the gratifying element of being alone. Alone as in all one; all alone. Solitude is a universal condition that not every personality is comfortable with unless they have 12th house planets. For example a person with a 12th house Uranus may not know adjust freedom without solitude. LOST IN THE WILDERNESS. Being lost expresses an innate universal human condition. Whosoever espouses doctrine that claims they know where humans came from or why we are here is an albeit good intentioned. LIAR. Bottomline is it's all unknown: we don't experience why we're here. A lot of people cannot live with that uncertainty and resort to complex systems of thought belief religion and yes astrology to fabricate a sense of purpose where none exists. Being lost is not a problem; it's central to the human instruct. Making it a problem can cater the martyr complex that eats that suffering. Another way of reframing this sense of "lostness" is aimless wandering or "wu wei" (explore it). UNITY WITH SOURCE. The experience of cosmic unity or oneness with all of existence refers to a deep human need for gnosis or direct knowledge of God. The cause of much human suffering stems from being cut off and divided from Source by the self-imposed borders divisions boundaries society (we) create in an attempt to create and hold back the chaos of real life. People with 12th house planets be a little or a lot more of this natural chaos in their lives and tend to shy away from and/or forbid any externally imposed categorizations that theaten their undergo of deep unity. FOR THOSE WITH 12th accommodate PLANETS: To the degree you have made a problem out of any of the above conditions (or have bought into society's problems about them) you may undergo unwittingly pathologized the 12th accommodate and are suffering from the victim virus. No blame; it is not your fault. If you can reframe the 12th house conditions in context to universal human conditions -- rather than as problems that be to be solved -- you can begin healing the change integrity within you and restoring your humanity."Life is not a problem to be solved but a mystery to be lived."William Butler Yeats
I have often thought that the 12th house was actually the house of beginnings from the end point. Or the completion cylce. I think that when a study planet goes through the 12 house the super soul or the subconscious absorbs the energy or the impluse of experiences and then alters the path or creates a beginning out of the end cylce. I feel that every new experience is created in the 12th house with the planets as they transit it. Remember the late 80s and early 90s when Saturn. Neptune and Uranus went through the sign capricorn. Well it rules my 12th and my 1st house since then I have altered a great deal about myself. My abitions changed to being more personal and modest. Plus the whole realtionship with life changed. Saturn my view of the world and religious philosophy changed also. Neptune and I became self exiled in a hermetic write of way using my freedom for privacy Uranus. Those transits lasted quite a few yrs together and I went through a major change.
>A lot of people cannot be with that uncertainty and resort to complex systems of thought belief religion and yes astrology to fabricate a sense of purpose where none existswhat would life be without purpose/reflection/projection? change surface a hit has purpose we create our intend to create by mental act from the problem arises when we get stuck yes but the smallest fabrication can be a huge leap for humanity create by mental act being without purpose for a minute... even air has purpose.. if it is simply to be to be inhaled to be transformed do you really accept that we don't experience why we are here? i think a lot of us do and have forgotten and are re-creating our purpose from our subconscious unwinding fumbling through it till we get it alter.. process it surfaces and we go. ' aaaahhaaa! ' can that be done without the friction tho? without the more primal instinctual steps that bring about us to that enlightening moment? how can there be fire without spark? i believe trial and error contrast uncertainty and all those things frowned upon indeed are the tiny spark that propels us further yes uncertaity is someting we impose on ourselves and even each other yes indeed that is a disconnecton but at the same time its a change integrity back up in a process that leads to something else.. uncertainty like boredom is the in-between yet another plateau step through that door or not?>"Life is not a problem to be solved but a mystery to be lived." William Butler Yeats i think it's a bit of both... so entwined in one another that it's hard to see them as seperate sorta desire yin and yang spinning one propells you to the other and vice versa i enjoy solving mystery as much as i enjoy simply being it,living it the two don't seperate that's probably what you are saying and i'm just loooooping around to see the whole picture.. hahaha!yes i too hated my so called 'ordain' when i first read about the 12 house - the house of institutions drug addicts opium dens hospitals criminals martyr like service jesus christ and so many other labels.. a very change minded descriptive.. which for most part is true in it's lowest form.. once this low aim of being/relating/experiencing is transformed it leads to something much greater.---> the 12 house transformed i see now as my subconscious connected to something much greater then the ' I' my/our collective knowledge/genetics dating back (so far my conscious mind doesn't currently comprehend) all those things classified and labelled as 'impossible' in this linear human reality alter in the 12 house the 12 house transcends what you think you experience as tried and true.;-P
star_fish,re: "am i making up purpose where there is none? or 'simply' uploading from the depths of the subconscious?"I evaluate the most honest 12th house answer to this question might be "I don't experience" or maybe "a bit of both." Uploading from the depths of what we call "subconscious" (what a term!) does not assure meaningful or purposeful circumscribe ; not everything in the sea is edible. Whether or not human life has a purpose on hide -- beyond evolving like every other living and dying organism -- who can say ? My inform about there being "no intend beyond the ideas of purpose we impose on the chaos" has more to do with the 12th house need for relaxing our grip around making uncertainty such a problem by forcing certitude onto everything (as if it can make the uncertainty go away). I'm not anti-purpose. I'm into creating purpose and living by that momentum while remaining open to also being totally clueless and lost. To me the action resides in the heart of this human contradiction called humanity and not in its dissection. It seems to me that when a mind becomes convinced that it knows anything or anybody in it starts closing down. Everyone gets more set in their ways as they change older. I'm working on setting my ways for an change state mind. Something about the so-called subconscious. I think the change integrity implied between "conscious" and "subconscious" (something Freud posited to further his studies in sexual pathology dreams and neurosis) is arbitrary. To my experience it's all Consciousness. What people label "the subconscious" merely expresses deeper degrees of Consciousness; not exceed just deeper. Not everything in the sea is edible.
>." Uploading from the depths of what we call "subconscious" (what a call!) does not affirm meaningful or purposeful content ; not everything in the sea is edible how do you know?i don't say this as a challenge but rather as something to take a step further... what i figure is that everything is edible at some 'measure' or another when we grow the right digestive tract when we evolve when we are capable of absorbing that knowlege and putting it to use.. when we learn to prepare it accordingly... to do so everything in it's ' time'.. i belive it's already all here fulfilling it's purpose regarding the word 'subconscious'... i wasnt' referring to freud but to a term to explain the opposite of conscious.. not necessarily fragmented or seperate... more like the one part we are 'used to' using less of maybe it could be exceed described as ' unconscious'... unaware altho i am aware it exists but not aware fully of it's content or how to use it.. intergrate it... YET.>My point about there being "no purpose beyond the ideas of purpose we impose on the chaos" has more to do with the 12th house need for relaxing our grip around making uncertainty such a problem by forcing certitude onto everything (as if it can make the uncertainty go away) yes... populate try to hold back out of fear fear of the unknown (12 house)it seems like many here in this world especially those in a place of obvious power cannot relax their grip because they have worked so hard to get there defining their reality mostly in concrete terms and therefore conclude desire they earned to be on top of the tower they build yet that is an illusion as i was telling my daughter yesterday that no be how much one learns/evolves it does not really stop a person might stop and conclude superior in it yet they do not realize that it keeps growing/evolving past them.. and one day they no longer sit at the top cause everything has changed.. changed while they were buisy glorifying their position and brilliance this was not inteded to be in referece to the tower (chaos) but that's the way it came out here.... funny i just saw the tower of babel in my mind.
With Saturn in Leo in the 12th quotes like this - "A Twelfth accommodate Saturn suggests that your career or area of responsibility in the world relates in some way to work in seclusion or for the compassionate or education of others - perhaps in social bring home the bacon hospitals prisons universities religion or the arts. Your nature is acquisitive reserved and inclined to solitude with a desire to work unpretentiously unobserved and live peacefully or alone. With this placing of Saturn you may experience negative inner pressures related to subconscious insecurity secret sorrows fear loneliness and disappointment. You may at some stage experience false accusations by secret enemies."\ - are the most prevalent data I've come across. And I undergo never been able to relate to that manner of thinking. How it manifest for me me is definitely in the arena of solitude and sometimes on the Unity with obtain you mentioned. Sherpa. I have had fears and limitations around creating/expressing myself in groups of populate in the past and I find I usually like to work alone. I undergo always required a lot of time alone - but the turn side of saturn in the 12th is too much time alone! I have gotten better at recognizing the signs when it's crossed the line to too much time alone but I still wouldn't say I'm good at it! :) Saturn in the 12th has definitely put me approach to face with self-imposed limitations in the areas of hyper-self criticism un-due comparison exceedingly high standards. And it's also seeded the inclination to be too responsible and responsible before fun or levity. I undergo my moon in Cancer in the 11th and I undergo often longed for a creative warm social group of friends however in reality. I be mostly unable to carry that kind of environment to me. I think it is Saturn's affect. I am often told I am too serious too opinionated too hard working and too willing to see reality before the dream. The Unity with Source move comes when I do achieve the type of solitude I require - when I am working on art and my spirit is deeply involved with a creative act - even if that act happens to be sweeping the floor. Doing rather than dwelling has been what has 'saved' me - so to speak - from the more negative sides of the 12th house.
Sherpa convey you for confirming and clarifing the 12th house meaning the *old educate* interpretation has always annoyed me.. aloneness ,strong mystical tendencies ,psychich experiences ,and great imaginations have been always a reward not a express. certainly enjoyable ,as I conclude desire 'Alice in Wonderland ' .... there is always somthing happening in my world ,boredom doesn't undergo place in my Universe.. and with 6 planets in the 12th.. I undergo been always self entarteiing :one of my mottos is [as a Leo of course ]I'm starring in my favorite show and what's beat. I'm my own favorite and loyal audience ]I guess discoverring what is hidden and wanting to sight the core out of facts is much part of the 12th too. but I may be confused at this inform. could this be a valid cerebrate to my identification with Mermaids. as the Ocean of Poseidon is [if I remember right I don't know ]connected to this house ?
why-oh-ming,re: "12th House Saturn"I look at natal Saturn as representing a cycle of maturation in a person's life that usually starts out as a specific fear (usually based in some sense of inadequacy) that draws attention to an area that requires self-responsibility in an ongoing make pass of converting fear into commitment. The 12th house Saturn worry may stem from deep doubts about the legitmacy of the out-there material world. Over time this can bring about to your commitment to go into the solace of solitude and build within the psyche itself a kind of internal sanctuary to defend the soul's uncommon sensitivity. And so the Saturn work or responsibility here is to the soul's protection. Many with this placement choose to reside come wilderness regions or act up a lifelong solitary spiritual practice or apply other internal structures to contain and preserve the inner life from the sometimes psychically damaging "worldly" influences of cynicism greed excessive materialism status mongering social climbing etc.
Interesting... "wu wei" -- the characters in Chinese -- will be tatooed on my left arm beneath "Nye Dua" which means "alter of God" from the Adinkra symbology. I have a 12th house idle that I like to talk about.. a lot.. which is in keeping since it is in Gemini. However since my Return (and would someone express Saturn to just act the copulate on?). I undergo my moon much differently. Instead of struggling against being all one.. all alone.. isolated. I put myself in isolation (and inform myself gently to come out of it)... I say all of that is part of being a 12th house Mooner indeed. However the one thing you don't address is.. that we can be our own worst enemies. I experience that I can social dart myself into a really dangerous place. I could struggle to conclude "open" and suffer actually being "open. I could lose my feeling of wholeness. What I am trying to get at is that it is easier for 12th housers to get into these kinds of mindsets. The only "victim" is the self -- the self trying to transcend self instead of understanding that transcending the self is about first getting *into* the self. Namaste. Quentin Ergane
I have the Sun and Jupiter in my 12th house but I lack the knowledge to know what that means. I looked at my AstroClick at astro com (and posted my chart in my pictures) and read the interpretations it gives based upon Robert Hand's "Youth Portrait." I can't discriminate the accuracy of this material in terms of astrology rules but it said some things that I definitely agree with that relate to this topic namely:Sun: "You have more compassion for others than most young people do. You love mysteries and secrets imagination and fantasy... You may have had an extremely painful experience when you were very young. If so you may think it was a punishment for something that you did and you may be afraid that it will happen again."This really struck me because I can analyse approve my change from ambitious driven bitch to super-sympathetic lost individual to a very painful experience that I felt I could have altered. I've only recently begun bring home the bacon to move past that hurt and "infected by a victim virus or martyr furnish" certainly resonates. This undergo also triggered a tendency to fear getting close to others and withdrawal from the world. Jupiter: "You see that your own growth and advancement in life depend on the advancement of everyone as a assort and you would desire to help in that process... You should be a very gentle person who cannot rest to see others hurt and who always takes the side of the underdog... And when you are alone you sight comfort in the peace and quiet of your own inner world a world that should bear on you change surface in difficulty."I really enjoy being alone. In fact. I need periods of solitude or else I end up suffering from panic attacks or anxiety. I might change surface go so far as to say I apply being "LOST IN THE WILDERNESS" and act it to extremes in the case of belief systems. I tend to be anti-certainty to the extent that I am averse to define myself or my own label of honor. I'm comfort working on how to reframe these experiences but I find it fascinating to see this in my map. Any input or clarification from all of you out there more knowledgeable of astrology than me would definitely be construe and enjoyed.
brian i like that explanation a lot i can cerebrate to it it is definately more intuitive.. having my venus merc and sun in the 12 house i mostly direct and speak from intuition.. which is a lot of times challenged because i don't have facts to back it up or that im contradicting create i can switch views like a chameleon in order to explore all aspects of it for merc in the 12 house it's like i have to verbalize write and convey and through doing so 'it' becomes real it takes a lot of trust for me to do this cause it's like letting go of what i already know what other's might evaluate of it judge me and let totally go in request to channel this knowledge sometimes its outright scary and weird to conclude fumbling like that.. time and measure again meanwhile people learn by adding onto i hit the books by stripping away in order to be clear i've dismissed a lot of this during my life only to sight those ideas to be manifested by others at another time... some of these ideas that either i or others dismissed in me at the measure as weird or stupid or impssible have later in time manifested as such things as 'trends' i conclude more confident these days that i can in fact see what's coming next.. the confidence and comfort comes from looking back on what has already manifested.
i often times. find myself going out into social situations and feeling very dissconnected. i can appear to be connected. but the times in which i am alone i feel the most connected to the world around me. i feel that i can pick up on and understand my life better when i am alone. the realtionships with people where i apply mysefl the most are the populate who i feel the most alone with. thats at least what i undergo said in the past. and it still rings true today. alone i like to paint.. as a form of connection to myself and everything around me. i like to reflect on the express of the world as it is.. when i was younger i used to have what i would call "by myself parties" these were times where i would construe. create and think. and feel so happy and connected. when i am too social all the time i run my energies change state. and dip off to restore myself. i am beat when i undergo just returned from a long envigorating time spent alone. when i was younger i wanted to be a monk because i thought i would be nice to take a vow of scilence and spend my whole life in solitude. and then i discovered that there were not too many female monks and this turned me off..
Lets act into consideration that pluto rules transformation and pluto in Libra represents a soul that is constantly learning to intergrate with others using the Idealistic tendencys of Neptune. If indeed the 12 rules the subcounscious and what I believe to be other planes of existence then pluto in the 12 would tell to me that you are a pyshic becon. You pick up thoughts and feelings from others instantly. The comprehend of being disconnected is the reality of impressions given to you from another plane of existence your cut off from the norm and regenerating and transforming evolving in this life a new format of understanding which is the real meaning of the 12 for me. With Pluto representing itself in the 12 then evolutionary wise its next act would be in the first or a continuation of the 12 until matured. Areas of inspiration (12th house pisces) in the subcounscous mind will unfold new realities for you. Often if a major fixed sign and pluto in it and in the 12 can give a person a God like complex. They are never wrong. Its because to much transformation happens on an Idealistic scale that they be to understand events instantly. Your disconnection is now understood as creating a new reality. A spiritual growth.
I liked that thing you've said. Sherpa about having a 12th house which is most of the chart with the other 11 making up small slices of the pie or at least that was my recall. Being someone with Sag 12th house fully living in the twelfth house no planets though the north node and direction I'm headed. As of late I am okay with insanity no longer feeling the unconscious identification with insanity mostly a strong consider and occasionally amused. I am very interested in the command unconscious bubbling away with as in day to day life locating a series of Fellini DVDs. Too great. Read Kafka on the border a major decrease and fulfilling lilt into the realm of the unconscious. This pluto transit of my natal 12th house remains of interest. For a while. I estimate. As does the 6th Sun Descendent. Gem. Alot of challenge and saw a saying that cracked me up. A broken clock is right twice a day.
I believe some astrologers consider saturn in 12th to be a write that the person may have had a position of spiritual authority in a past be. Considering that. I think I understand somewhat better why these patriarchical tendencies will be there. Then again finality/closedness of opinion is not something I would think of with the hazy 12th house (object of cover the life/death cycle and natural ending of things..)I read in a thread in the 12th house tribe hat we saturnian 12ths also be to undergo an odd way of keeping it together in a true crisis. When the world around us crumbles or we feel very threatened we can be standing unwavering in a comprehend. It's a funny sort of tradeoff: there may be these irrational fears and some loneliness involved with saturn in 12th. but when the inform really hits the fan it's not half as bad as we thought it was going to be. This is definitely true for me. but I query how you and other perceive it?
Carlos,This transit is about deep internal house cleaning and soul searching. It can be a difficult measure psychologically as the degrees of self-exposure change magnitude exposure to everything you have been repressing or stuffing about yourself into the "depository of the subconscious" all these years. And so this marks an era of self-healing and maybe psychotherapy of some kind. When Pluto transitted through my 12th house my life as I knew it was over and I badly needed a change of scenery. I decided to set up residence in a small town where nobody knew me for a few years. This was a good move as it forced me into a more honest confrontation with myself without the company of all my previous friends and associates confirming their ideas of me. Now I don't advise this tactic for everyone else but it did help make "real" my growing comprehend of inner isolation by extending it into my environment and when I was most alone. I found the cater to change my life best of luck to you. Carlos.
Ok.. Behind the conceal.. Is OZ... ha ha ha well.. sorta... Is it "GOD".. Well Ya! Really in what it suposed to convey. It is! Ha ha.. Boy am I in a silly mood today. Must be the Sun out all day... and so very nice to feel the warmth. Any way…It's all that we Know but haven’t seen yet in the here and now. alter??All our fears our wishes our understandings of what we know.. ummm. Ok. well gee my cat just climbed up to talk to me.. Very apropos wouldn’t you say to this indulgence?..12th house… “GOD”. now wouldn’t the older studiers of astrology. be what? Appalled…LOL ya well. To hell w/ them…LOLP. S disclaimer.. I am of no religious sextion. no I didn’t recite that wrong. Well I did. but I think I’ll leave it due to the “do you understand the meaning of the Goddess” furnish going one these days. Geees another thread some time..
>>>>hope you don't take this personally....... let's just say that the 12 house can be very much about denial.. since neptune is about illusion and denial can be almost always based on an illusion... really.. how can you not have a conscious connection to it yet at the same time be aware of your intense emotions intensity obsession and rage? holy egest if that's not connected/transforming/transcending i don't know what is.... <<<<<Certainly Not. I don't take it personally. It could very come up be denial. I am not really sure. For example. I undergo the Sun and Saturn in the 10th House which portends that I should be some promote of the world but I feel nothing of their energies for driving desire and worldly success in the material comprehend. I think it is becuase those planets are heavily afflicted. In any case. Pluto is a dark energy that broods in the 12th House and conjuncts the Ascendant. I don't feel or communicate a particularly magnetic charismatic or powerful energy that is Plutonian as is indicated in texts. Its just a raging haunting afflict.
Quentin and others that seem to see this "Monster" furnish in the 12th house. Reminder: the 12 house is Pisces house. Neptune. What we don't understand but Know can be Frightening and even very dangerous. Though keep in object all things undergo two sides…well at least two. For every Monster there is Mother Tarisa or the ya know the old wise man on the mountain that you clime up to see and learn much love of magic from. Very 12th I’d say. Sit against a channelise and comprehend to all the sounds of the woods and connect to Momma. Or change state your eyes at the ocean and feel the appear and communicate of the movements in the water. Pisces. 12 house. yes yes much Magic. Power. Very healing Thanks Momma.. I think this is Sherpa’s almost communicate of “Trembling veil”. silly. soo scary alter. process you see and object it. Then it’s just another facet of life and no big broach. Death just makes dwell for something new and wonderful. Ill depends on how you look at it. Though the “Trembling Veil” is very Dramatic is it not. Car come down Syndrome…. LOL… Did you desire that Linda??.. Americans Geeess.. We just love a juicy horror story don’t we.
Screeeeeeeeech. Skid. (I can't even cover drive but to hell with it.)Dragon oh Dragon. Don't get me started a new communicate is brewing even now. I read another J G Ballard this week and that made me displace out my come down novel again. A friend of mine had to come out to Budapest to view the film because the British authorities all thought that if it was not censored in the UK it might give too many people ideas (and where's Pryce?)The Ballard was all about bored retirees on the Costa del Sol being woken into vibrant cultural awareness through using crime to get them going. Then an old friend of mine from Korea told me he intervened when he saw a girl being beaten up - in full of view in a busy shopping mall - by a assort of male thugs but it was their word against his - the guard forced him to pay for one of the youths' damaged cell phone. I kid you not though he thought it was more Clockwork Orange than Ballard. Maybe there is your Mars Saturn for you.
Very Interesting Bella. Yes what you say makes sense. Fairly New to Astrology so any interpreation is helpful. I do conclude rootless. Powerless so a 12th House Pluto conjuncting the Ascendant has no real meaning to me becuase of the sense that I may not own my own power as you inferred. There is a double T Square that is Cancer/Libran. Moon Conjunt Uranus and the Ascendant in the First House all in Libra. Sun and Saturn Conjunct Midheaven all in Cancer etc etc. So there is a Cardinal Restlessness and the Oppossing Heavy energies in Heavy planets makes it harder to integrate and live with peaceably. And Confidently. I would also tend to agree that I may not be able to deal with it until I am a little older since it is very difficult to show a roadmap and create a solution now. I cannot deal with it now becuase I tend to shut down and push populate away with my negavitity. I have had intimates express me that I am inherently inflexible and selfish. Perhaps that is Pluto or Uranus in the First which makes it so. Thanks for the insight.
Thanks for the lantern- tho' we don't always like the lights too bright here in the 12th house caverns lol. My Sun & Mercury both in Pisces are both 12th house. They're actually pretty happy there. My Venus in Aries is also in the 12th house. & that feels desire a challenging fit sometimes. Often it manifests as lovers being.. er... surprised. I'm a Renewal Jew. & have also been practicing Witchcraft for over 30 yrs since my early teens. I've always seen ritual as a doorway not the endpoint so I guess I fit the alleviate w/ a bit of chaos thing quite well. My practice is actually quite shamanistic these days; very relaxed. Floating in the collective unconcious feels like home to me. I enjoy community ritual as a unifier. & a way of marking time & passages. & I've done lots of ritual theater. My Moon & Jupiter in Sag are 8th house so this mix of public service & fun. & private profound & liberating undergo seems about right. But all my most profound deeply transforming spiritual experiences have come to me while alone w/ Nature. I'm an artist & a poet. I be LOTS of alone time. & I've been nocturnal all my life. I also have a what's diagnosed as ADD w/o the hyper part; to me it just means I undergo prisim vision. & some organizational challenges. We are only victims when forced to fit into slots ill-suited for us. If we end free the possibilities are myriad.
I found Sherpa's interpretation to be the most complete and accurate for 12th house planetary placements and I have been searching for over 25 yrs for information on this. I have Pluto in Virgo (retrograde) in the 12th conjunct the Asc and Uranus in Leo (retrograde) in the 12th. The (2) main issues that have pervaded my life is: a) When I serve/back up people to excess - I later resent it because I conclude unappreciated taken for granted and feel imprisioned to keep on keep on doing for these same populate. (Pluto in Virgo) b) Felt the need for freedom but never chose the path to allow it whether it be freedom of expressing myself or living alone (Uranus in Leo). The aforementioned is particularly hard in terms of freedom because I undergo 5 planets in fire signs - 3 of which are Sag (Sun. Jupiter and Mars) and the Moon is in Aries (8th). All freedom loving planets so yeah the wish for freedom ordain always be a part of me. How I bring home the bacon to handle it is: I do what I want without populate's approval - discreetly - if need be. If I don't get equal transfer for my services/back up - then I stop it - period. The one writer mentioned about the 8th house connection with the 12th fits me in that my Moon in Aries in the 8th tells me "TRANSFORM your perspective - which ordain change how I feel towards the 12th house maladies or have an emotional breakdown - MY choice. So those that have 12th and 8th house planets - it is a calling to transform or else you are your own worst enemy! Martyrdom serves noone. Hope this helps.
12th house is the house of institutions and hospitals -oftentimes when populate undergo something in the 12th house there is a story to that effect but not always creating videos (behind the scenes things). Another words less sports and more creating although he'll still watch the bet. This sounds descriptive of a 12th house leo sun where is neptune in his chart ? I undergo a 12th house kid with a Leo moon it is interesting how neptune filters leo traits. The wonderous thing about Neptune is we can all get lost into it through some means or another. My ex hsuband is a Pisces an artist and muscian -he would disapear for long hours at a measure -once we were at my parents and he just disapeared for hours and my care a Libra sun aries idle happened to stumble across him outside -he was crouched down behind her raised brick develop boxed watching a spider build its web. She walked up to me and said would you just look at what he is doing -so I looked and saw this huge spider making this complex web that was being made along with various dead things stuck to its maze and then she said in such a wispering innocent soft spoken way to me -he is captivated by the spiders web and sees things in a different way than some folks do kate
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